Showing posts with label VT shootings. Show all posts
Showing posts with label VT shootings. Show all posts

Sunday, April 22, 2007

What's Behind The Virginia Tech Tragedy? Was It Inevitable? Was It A Black Op?

The Washington Post is reporting that a shutdown of the Virginia Tech campus was never considered last Monday morning, even though two people were dead and the killer was still at large.
Two students were dead in a dormitory when Virginia Tech President Charles W. Steger and his two top lieutenants gathered to assess the shootings and the university's response in Burruss Hall at 8:25 a.m. Monday. Campus Police Chief Wendell Flinchum soon called in from the dorm: The police were on top of it and were already looking for the dead girl's boyfriend, he told Virginia Tech's executive vice president, its provost and Steger. The West Ambler Johnston Residence Hall was secure, he said, with officers surrounding it. The situation was contained.

That assumption could not have been more wrong.
In fact, the dead girl's boyfriend was not the killer -- and had nothing to offer investigators.

But while they were chasing this wild goose, the killer was sending his lurid details to the press, and preparing to kill again -- 30 more times. So in retrospect, it's clear that a lot of "wrong assumptions" have been made.

The people who made the wrong assumptions still assert that those assumptions were reasonable.
The chiefs of the campus police, Blacksburg force and state police portrayed a routine, if tragic, crime scene at the dorm that gave no hint of the trouble to come. They said they never considered shutting down the campus and argued that doing so might have resulted in even more bloodshed.
How could a simple and routine precaution have resulted in "even more bloodshed"?
In a briefing to the school's Board of Visitors last week, police also said a lockdown could have trapped an angry Cho inside his dorm, making things worse.
Sure, guys, whatever you say. Right. We believe you. Because trapping an angry killer in a single building is much less dangerous than allowing him to roam an entire campus. Really.

The Washington Post is not reporting that "police and EMT workers at Virginia Tech [...] were given a federal order to stand down and not pursue killer Cho Seung-Hui as Monday's bloodshed unfolded", and nobody expects them to. But Joseph Watson at Prison Planet made this very disturbing claim on Friday. According to Watson,
we have received calls from police and EMT's who tell us that a stand down order was in place, and this is also confirmed by eyewitness Matt Kazee, who is a Blacksburg local.

Kazee talked to local EMTs and police who told him the same thing, that the order was to wait until federal back up arrived before any action was taken. This explains the complete non-response of the police in the two hour gap between Cho's first two murders and the wider rampage that would follow later that morning.

The policy of federal control over the University was put in place following a previous shooting in August 2006 in which a police officer and a hospital security guard were killed.
While FOX News chases after questions like Where is God? and Why Do "Good" People Do Bad Things? and the Washington Post asks whether the carnage was avoidable, Prison Planet wants to know who was behind it. Paranoia? Perhaps. But on the other hand, perhaps not.

Ignorance and incompetence may well be rampant in this case, but if the police were indeed stood down, then it seems quite reasonable to assume that sinister forces were at play -- indeed, it's almost impossible to assume otherwise.

Fishy-smelling details continue to emerge, and Black Krishna is watching.

Monday, April 16, 2007

Was The Virginia Tech Shooting A Black Op?

[VIDEO UPDATE below]

Paul Joseph Watson and Steve Watson at Prison Planet dot Com are saying the shooting earlier today at Virginia Tech looks a lot like a black op.
Early details about the horrific school shooting at Virginia Tech strongly indicate that these events represent a Columbine-style black-op that will be exploited in the coming days to push for mass gun control and further turning our schools into prisons.

Eyewitness Matt Kazee told the Alex Jones Show that it was a full two to three hours after the shootings began that loudspeakers installed around the campus were used to warn students to stay indoors and that a shooter was on the loose.

Quite how the killer was afforded so much time before any action was taken to stop him is baffling, especially considering the fact that the campus, according to Kazee, was crawling with police before the event happened due to numerous bomb threats that had been phoned in last week.

The shootings came three days after a bomb threat Friday forced the cancellation of classes in three buildings, WDBJ in Roanoke reported. Also, the 100,000-square-foot Torgersen Hall was evacuated April 2 after police received a written bomb threat, The Roanoke Times reported.

CNN quoted a student who was outraged at the delay in identifying and stopping the killer.

"What happened today this was ridiculous. And I don't know what happened or what was going through this guy's mind," student Jason Piatt told CNN. "But I'm pretty outraged and I'll say on the record I'm pretty outraged that someone died in a shooting in a dorm at 7 o'clock in the morning and the first e-mail about it — no mention of locking down campus, no mention of canceling classes — they just mention that they're investigating a shooting two hours later at 9:22."

He added: "That's pretty ridiculous and meanwhile, while they're sending out that e-mail, 22 more people got killed."

The details that are beginning to emerge fill the criteria that this could very well be another government black-op that will be used as justification for more gun control and turing our schools into prisons, festooned with armed guards, surveillance cameras and biometric scanning to gain entry.

Ironic therefore it is that Virginia is a concealed carry state and yet Virginia Tech campus recently enforced a policy prohibiting "unauthorized possession, storage or control" of firearms on campus. According to gun rights activists such as Aaron Zelman of Jews For The Preservation of Firearms, VA Tech has "blood on its hands" for disarming the victims who could potentially have defended themselves against the killer.

Initial reports suggested there were two shooters, but the story quickly changed to just one shooter who later killed himself (as happens in almost all these cases) or was shot by police.

Eyewitness accounts describe police hiding behind trees and failing to pursue the killer, while ordering the school to be placed on lockdown so nobody could escape the carnage as the killer picked off his targets with seemingly little interruption from the police.

At the moment, the official death toll is 30, but could rise, making this the deadliest school shooting in history.
and more at this link.

In another article, the same authors write:
A gun ban recently enforced by Virginia Tech campus prevented over thirty victims of today's mass shooting from defending themselves against the killer, and yet gun control advocates are already politicizing this morning's tragic events to pull the lever for mass gun control.

Virginia is a concealed carry state and yet Virginia Tech campus recently enforced a policy prohibiting "unauthorized possession, storage or control" of firearms on campus.

According to gun rights activists such as Aaron Zelman of Jews For The Preservation of Firearms, VA Tech has "blood on its hands" for disarming the victims and other students who could potentially have stopped the killer in his tracks in the three hour time period he was allowed to carry out his rampage by cowardly police who hid behind trees as the carnage ensued.

Reuters is already disseminating the talking points for an imminent propaganda coup against the Second Amendment, and yet it was the stripping of that right to bear arms that ensured today's death toll represents the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.
and there's more at this link too.

Personally? I don't know, but there are lots of fishy details. How about I report for a while, then decide?

Here we have some videos courtesy of Black Krishna










I'm still not sure what to think but I am certainly open to ideas. Anyone?

Terrorist Attack Or Simply Random Violence? More Than 50 Dead Or Injured At Virginia Tech

[Update: The death toll stands at 32 in the deadliest mass shooting in US history.]

I don't like Mondays either but this is too much (from Sue Lindsey of the AP via Toronto's Globe and Mail):
Gunman kills 21, wounds 21 at U.S. university

BLACKSBURG, Va. — A gunman opened fire in a dormitory and a classroom at Virginia Tech on Monday, killing 21 people and wounding another 21 before he was killed, police said.

“Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions,” university president Charles Steger said. “The university is shocked and indeed horrified.”

The university reported shootings at opposite sides of the campus, beginning about 7:15 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, a co-ed residence hall that houses 895 people, and continuing about two hours later at Norris Hall, an engineering building.

One student was killed in the dorm and the others were killed in the classroom, Virginia Tech Police Chief W.R. Flinchum said.

After the shootings, all entrances to the campus were closed and classes cancelled through Tuesday.

“There's just a lot of commotion. It's hard to tell exactly what's going on,” said Jason Anthony Smith, 19, who lives in the dorm where shooting took place.

Aimee Kanode, a freshman from Martinsville, said the shooting happened on the fourth floor of West Ambler Johnston dormitory, one floor above her room. Kanode's resident assistant knocked on her door about 8 a.m. to notify students to stay put.

“They had us under lockdown,” Ms. Kanode said. “They temporarily lifted the lockdown, the gunman shot again. We're all locked in our dorms surfing the Internet trying to figure out what's going on."

Madison Van Duyne, a student who was interviewed by telephone on CNN, said, “We are all in lockdown. Most of the students are sitting on the floors away from the windows just trying to be as safe as possible.”

It was second time in less than a year that the campus was closed because of a shooting.

In August, 2006, the opening day of classes was cancelled and the campus closed when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard off campus and fled to the Tech area. A sheriff's deputy involved in the manhunt was killed on a trail just off campus.

The accused gunman in that case, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.
Condolences to all the friends and families of the victims, of course.

And then what?

If the dead killer turns out to have been a Moslem, we will hear all sorts of nonsense about "campus jihad" and "sudden jihad syndrome", and the mouth-breathing wingnuts will scream about how the national media is shortchanging their political agenda by not immediately branding the shooting "Islamic terrorism".

Otherwise, the mouth-breathing wingnuts will say nary a word, and anyone who seriously wants to know why the incident was not immediately branded "terrorism" -- regardless of the shooter's religion -- will be considered an enemy of the state ... the same state that can read every one of your emails and listen to every one of your phone calls but which can't prevent maniacs from bringing weapons into public places and killing other people with them.

In other words, now that the Bill of Rights is meaningless, do you feel any safer?